Question: What if you install the door closer device and the door is really hard to open? Pro Tip: Some covers have more than one screws, only one of which is the adjustment screw. Sometimes covers are held on by hex head cap screws in the top. if you have a dor-o-matic, these are adjustable as well, but high risk of dirt contamination into the fluid because you have to open a port cap on closer body to gain access to the spring tension adjuster. That is to say, it ain't got that swing. After you possess this knowledge, the next thing you need to know is why your door closer needs adjustment. This may mean simply taking the arm off and placing it back on in the right position according to the instructions, or it might me relocating the closer according to the measurements given in the instructions. Hello, I need some advice please, I am sleep deprived due to working 12 hr night shift & the neighbours slamming the doors so hard that it feels like an earthquake & wakes me up & I can't go back to sleep this happens numerous times every day & it's starting to make me ill. One neighbour said he has a spring on his door which causes it to close hard. If your door closer is not adjustable it may be an incorrect choice for your door. Pull it off. Some lack any labels or identifying marks that I can find. Question: What do I do if I have the screws out of my door closer as far as they go, but it still is not closing? The hydraulic fluid leaked for a reason: either the closer body has a crack (in which case it would just leak out again), or more likely one of the hydraulic seals (o-rings) has given out. If the seals or valves are failing, or if the door closer is leaking, it is probably time to replace or rebuild the door closer. Swing speed adjustment controls how fast the door closes from fully open to within about five degrees of closed. Answer: I think you are referring to numbers that appear next to the speed adjustment screws. I fixed an office door which was slamming shut for months following your instructions. Is there any way to adjust the arm (that pulls the door close) so that it doesn't rub the top of the door? If there is some resistance because the hinges are bent or rusty, for example, or if the door rubs against the frame, it could be the closer was given more strength to avoid dealing with the real problem. You state that if there is oil leaking from the door closer that you might as well throw it away and I was wondering if there was an exception. Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on October 19, 2013: Thanks, Jess! Great article, Tom and thank you! The way to adjust the latching speed, they say, is to reposition the arm; that is, to remove the arm from the spindle and re-install it at a different angle. How far do you need it to open? When it closes the way you want 10 times in a row, it will probably continue to do so. In colder temperatures the fluid will tend to thicken up a bit, making the closer slow down. Usually I hear of transom closers referred to as 'overhead concealed closers' and floor spring closers as simply floor closers, but a rose by any other name will close the door just the same. You will ruin the closer and void the warranty. What could be wrong? And which tradesperson should I look for to fit the door closer? This model has a friction hold-open feature, which I wanted. You may have to adjust the bracket to get the door closer functioning as intended. Most door closer manufacturers offer arms separately, so if you want to change your door closer from one that does not have a hold-open to one that does, you can replace the standard arm with a hold-open arm, and that will do it. Answer: It seems to me your door closer has the standard two-valve speed adjustment system. RBAdoor.com says the DC6210 replaced the 120, so perhaps you can use specs for the DC6210 as a guide if you are rebuilding a 120. The arm attached to the body goes out on almost straight out at 45 deg angle but is just slightly tilted left. So how/what can I do to make it long enough to fit? Move the pin to a hole closer to the door handle and inset the pin into the bracket. Thank you for your effort anyway. Also, hydraulic fluid will leak out of the closer and make a mess. Remove little round black gummy-cap and simply turn screw?! If not, go back up the ladder and make another adjustment, until the closer is doing what you want it to do. In that case, carefully trace the edges of the over all round with a blade to free it from the paint. The spring is broken and the door closer must be replaced. If you can disassemble it, try removing the lubricant from all parts using a small amount of solvent (like turpentine) and a rag. How can I fix it? Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on April 18, 2014: One of our kids was "The Chocolate Detective." This arm has a large adjustment nut on the shoe. You needed to replace that storm door, but now it wont close by itself correctly. The second best way is to carefully experiment with the screws, turning one at a time just a fraction of a turn and observing the effect. (Step-By-Step Tutorial). For example, if the door closer is designed to allow the door to swing open to 110 degrees when installed according to the instructions, it may only open to a 90- or 100-degree angle if installed further from the hinge. Set it about two inches from the top of the door. After removing the cylinder from the bracket, put it back on the bracket in a way that the holes of both (cylinder and bracket) are aligned. If you hire a professional automatic door company to install a high energy power operator, they will probably be able to adjust this more powerful device so that it shuts the door every time without hurting anyone. The "6" on the end of the number indicates a size 6 spring - the most powerful. to use the hold open turn the screw full 180 degrees, sometimes you may hear a "pop" sound as you turn it, (dont worry, you didn't break anything, also, USE A FIRM GRIP ON SCREWDRIVER as it might slip out of flat head screw, if you see just 3 valves (RIXSON) it is factory preset hold open, best to take to a door closer repair service or the factory to have the hold open disabled, most likely they will encourage you to buy a new closer as it is dangerous to service yourself if you have no experience with servicing floor closers (rebuilding them), if its a dorma (BTS 75/80, longer narrower floor closer coverplate) they are NOT selective (can't turn it off on at will, the hold open function of the Dorma BTS series is a part of the internal mechanism, same as for Rixson, take to a repairer/factory to exchange for one with NON-hold open function. Question: Can I re-fill the hydraulic fluid if it has leaked out of my door closer? (Step-By-Step Tutorial), How to Fix a Door Frame? 10-deg less than full open. My door is doesnt close is stop in the middle need help. The photo shows the hexagonal indent on one end just like. You will have to experiment and try to find something that works. remove from closer, put flat part (with hole) in a vise, then with a hammer, tap the "tab" part that contacts the tube of the closer, many times the angle is not enough to "bite" the rod to hold it open, also, many of these screen door closers are made overseas and sold to USA, sometimes quality of things made overseas can be questionable. Or maybe the shoe is slightly crooked and the knuckle of the arm is binding. Do Not Completely Unscrew Hydraulic Screws. Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on July 21, 2018: The spring is indeed the thing that creates the pressure on the door. Thank. If these two assertions are true, perhaps the swing speed valve seal is failing or the valve itself is worn out. Do the opposite if youve to apply too much force to open/close it. I did not move the arm because I found that the door is easier to open the further away the arm is from the closer itself. Second, the o-rings in the valves may change position, compress or expand if they are too elastic or of two small a gauge. Many closers also feature a hydraulic control for back check that controls the last few inches of the opening the door so as to prevent the door from being slammed into an adjacent wall. An automatic closer is a shock absorber in reverse. This has made it difficult to carry in shopping etc, but more significantly I am worried in terms of emergencies; for example ambulances and stretchers as my mother is currently battling illness. A normal 36 inch wide door complies only when it is opened to an angle of 90 degrees. Hopefully you will be able to download a parts breakdown of your door closer with enough detail to see if the hold open knuckle on your closer can be disassembled. CRL, Dorma?? Answer: I think you will need to enlist the help of a professional, but the definitive identifying feature tends to be the mounting screws. As this two-step process is going on you apply pressure, spring stretches to open the door; you remove the pressure, spring compresses to close the door the hydraulic fluid is moving through a serious of valves. Sounds kinda fun. Tony Sky from London UK on April 18, 2014: A small set of wind chimes is a good tip.I may just alarm or lock it for the best security measures to protect my fav chocolates!!:). broken interior glass door image by ooooo from, broken interior glass door image by ooooo from Fotolia.com. Question: Why does my door closer suddenly change speed? Answer: Sounds like it might be a broken main spring to me. We used to have a small set of wind chimes attached to the front door to mark comings and goings. Jess The door closer D on November 03, 2016: things to remember about Pre-load, if you have too much of it, you LOSE latch valve and your full swing is dependent on sweep screw. Question: My door began slamming over the past four to six months, and there's a trail of this sticky mess dripping down the glass door and collecting like black tar on the threshold under the door closer. Each end of the cylinder has a. It accomplishes this by using spring tension modulated by hydraulic fluid. Taymor's, The problem is pretty clearly that the spring is sprung too hard. Sometimes this happens for no apparent reason; other times it can occur if some0one is, for example, pouring a new foundation next door. This does not apply to the initial force needed to overcome the weight of a motionless door. years here, writing this hub was the start of an amazing journey of discussion and learning on all sides. common one I hear these days(before winter) to preevnt the door from being blonw open, do you mean blowout, where the HVAC system makes door open slightly??? Thats where your door bracket should be centered. Thanks for the article. A good door closer can also make it difficult to slam the door, but it will not get rid of a squeak. This will stop the door from opening too far. Since it's been out of production for some years, I think it would be difficult to find out how much fluid it takes. Thanks for the response. Many secure it next to the closer, while others prefer it to be located under the door handle, about midway down the door. Any ideas? Check the top of the door for rub marks. Lets look at the components of a storm door closing system first. Is it possible to change the swing/closing direction on a Ryobi Doorman door closer? The speed and force of the door closer dictates how long a person has to enter or exit through the doorway before the door closes. With these simple steps you can avoid ruining your door frame or worse, having to shell out the money for a new door and installation. I have a weird situation. What do the "1" and "2" stand for? Air in the cylinder with the hydraulic fluid can make the door closer behave unpredictably as well. Sometimes one must remove the cover plate to find the adjustment screws. Here is the question, can I do it by the existing floor spring, or I should add some other ceiling spring? The final step is to attach the spring/chain assembly. Thanks Tom! What can we do to fix the problem with the door? Question: My tenant is complaining that the door is too heavy to open. Tom, I wonder if you know how to make the pressure on opening the door less and I also have a thump when the arms on top of the door reach the end of the slot. Loosen one screw at a time, close the door and see if its opening more quickly than before. These instructions will include how to adjust the valves. If it is, adjust it according to the instructions. Now that you have the cover off, you should be able to see the adjustment screws. Fingers crossed! The best way to find out which screw is which is by consulting the manufacturer's installation instructions. In either of these cases, if you decreased the spring tension, perhaps the closer would no longer have the strength to close the door. I have a Cal Royal 430P door closer installed. How can I determine what type of Hold Open mechanism mine has so I'll know whether or not the nut loosening you mentioned as a fix for this problem, is possible or not? "Interior doors should require no more than 5 lbs. Often you can tell if an arm is pre-loaded if you find you can't open the door to a full 90 degrees because the closer stops it. If it improves the motion but doesnt close the door, turn it one more time. Turn the set screw one full turn and test the door again. One might suggest to their facilities manager, maybe it doesn't have to be so strong that it compromises security. For example, if the arm were attached to the spindle in the wrong position, or if the closer was installed in the wrong location, it might make the door hard to open. (Step-By-Step Tutorial), How to Build an Insulated Exterior Door? Question: How can we make our LCN door closer open farther? It would be helpful to know the manufacturer, but you may not be able to tell with the cover on. Question: how much hydraulic fluid is in a corbin series 120 door closer? (Step-By-Step Tutorial), How to Fix a Warped Door? I have tried tightening both of the screws as per the manual, but it is still slamming. Remove the cotter pin that attaches the door closer to its mounting bracket. Sometimes a door must be repaired before it will close and lock automatically with a door closer. But if the door is only partially opened and released, the sweep + latch are both too fast and the door just slams shut. It could be that the spring tension was adjusted to be as strong as it is deliberately to overcome some problem. Not as simple as I thought it would be. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); 4 Ways to Pick a Door Lock (Step-By-Step Tutorial), How to Remove a Door from Hinges? I haven't figured out Facebook yet. The screw you mention seems to adjust closing force, not speed, but adjusting it may have an effect. Or, perhaps the door does not swing right. The clip can be removed and the closer will no longer hold open. This article is primarily about surface-mounted door closers, but the ideas here can be applied to other kinds of door closers as well. This type of size is determined by the width of a door. I did have one question. Adjust a door closer with small incremental changes and then check the results after each adjustment to see if it corrects the problem. Of course, reversing the swing of the door would probably solve the problem, but doing so is usually difficult, impractical, against fire safety code, or impossible. Content is for informational or entertainment purposes only and does not substitute for personal counsel or professional advice in business, financial, legal, or technical matters. What adjustment is needed? Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on November 07, 2016: I have a few questions that I would need the answers for before I answer yours: What kind of door closer is it, and how are you trying to install it? I actually found this article when I googled 'door closer 9n50'. (Step-By-Step Tutorial), Which Windows Get the Most Light? If your firsts turn makes the door slam harder, youve gone the wrong way. What is a possible solution? Door closer adjustments will add or reduce the amount of air pressure inside the pneumatic cylinder to increase or decrease the closing force of the door closer. You will need the manufacturer's instructions to see if and how this can be done. I have one of these door closers and I am not sure how to put it on. With top jam mounting, the degree of opening is most affected by the depth of the "reveal" - that is, the distance between the inside surface of the door frame and the surface of the door. A turn of five degrees can significantly increase or decrease closing speed. Open the door gradually; do not jerk it open. Your reference to a "slot" makes me think you have a surface mounted track arm closer. I can't find specific instructions for a Taymor 979y closer. Thanks, Tom and Jeff. The solution to your door closer problem may be to decrease the spring tension and slightly increase the latching speed. thanks. The absence of confusion in your mind will make the whole adjustment process straightforward. (Step-By-Step Tutorial), How to Fix a Cracked Door? The bracket does its job with a tension adjustment screw. The trapped air between the inside and outside door can be a factor in door closing. If the closer has adjustable spring tension it will say so in the install instructions and also tell you how to adjust it. In track closers (less common) it is in the track. When you say to move the body of the closer nearer to the "edge of the door" do you mean closer to the hinge edge or the outside edge or top edge of the door? Having said that, my friend has a squeaky door and when I offered to oil it for him he declined saying, when you have 5 daughters, you wanna know whose coming in and out of the house!. Exterior doors are not regulated in the latest version of ADA, but local authorities have requirements ranging from 5 to 15 pounds of force required to open the door. Hopefully that makes sense, but if it doesn't I could imagine if I pulled the door open in this situation, the bottom two screws of the body would rip out of the door. Keep experimenting until the door closes without hesitation. Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on August 23, 2013: You're welcome, Lexie. Ideally, a non-delayed action door closer will close and latch the door in seven to eight seconds. The shoe might be installed contrary to the installation instructions. Many door closers today are "non-sized," indicating that you can adjust the spring tension to fit the size of the door. i.e. Any ideas on how to solve this problem? The illustration above shows the effects of the common hydraulic adjustment controls available on most commercial grade door closers. I would like the friction-hold release point to be closer to 80-deg point. If your door closer has a spring adjustment, you can make it stronger. In double lever arm (common) door closers this feature is in the arm. HubPages is a registered trademark of The Arena Platform, Inc. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. If youre unable to find the screw here, look at the end of the cylinder that is farthest away from the bracket. JLD902 @ AIM. As the spring pushes the door closed again, the hydraulic fluid passes back to the previous reservoir through a series of valves that control the speed. Very much appreciated! One of the screws is being ripped out of door frame when I open the door.

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