Plus, its stain resistant for use with basecoat/clearcoat paints. So if this stuff is better Id like to try it. But then again those conditions make all but the best fail. Rage Ultra contains ZNX-7 and is part of the Metalworks system. The difference is in how it sands, spreads and prone to pinholes. They said let me check he literally changed the label right in front of me. Touting that it is the easiest sanding ,no pinholes ever..the cost was huge compared to Rage Gold (which I use regularly). Go over it with the spreader 2-3 times pressing it very firmly into the panel, then just smooth out the lines the best you can with another pass or two. Commercial Ultra is specially formulated to allow for extended work time of 10 minutes at 75F (24C). Keystone stuff not so much. no really it is Rage Gold.. Post your compressor/gun questions here. Rage Xtreme is the world's first truly pinhole-free premium body filler. Division of Illinois Tool Works Inc. | 6600 Cornell Road - Cincinnati, OH 45242 |, 2015 2022 Evercoat - All Rights Reserved, TDS_100125_RAGE-ULTRA-4.2021---US-ENG.pdf, TDS_100135_RAGE-OPTEX-4.2021---US-ENG.pdf, Rage Ultra XTRA SOP and Puddle Size Poster, TDS_100181_COMMERCIAL-ULTRA_3.2017-US-ENG.pdf, TDS_100490_QUANTUM1_LARGE_REPAIR_2_2015_EN.pdf. You must be logged in to reply to this topic. We use UPOL Fantastic - smooth almost like a glaze but strong like a heavy duty lightweight filler and nice and easy to sand with minimal pinholing. i hate blocking so when it comes time for me to bust out a block then im sanding that stuff. Probably the Lightweight filler that Jim is talking about is the rebadged $15 gallon stuff you get from Keystone. I use those too. Non-asphaltic, can be used on rocker panels, splash pans, wheel wells, lower body panels and underbodies. So whats different between Z-grip & Rage gold? Rage Ultra is the worlds best sanding body filler. Mostly the same reasons NFT5 gives for the UPOL. I just use the regular and not the Plus. Thanks Jay, I'll take a look at that. Tack free and stain resistant, which extends the life of sandpaper and reduces the chance of staining. Manufacturers and technicians can mix and spread large quantities knowing they have enough time to work larger surfaces, saving time and increasing productivity. Commercial Ultra, 3 Gallon Pail - Mechanical. It's supposed to be easy to sand. 3m is ok but I dont see a massive difference in performace vs cost. You might also look at Evercoat Metal Glaze as a very versatile light filler/glaze that works awesome with Rage as well (you'll need this too). Tack free and stain resistant, which extends the life of sandpaper and reduces the chance of staining. Some products and people will say 1/4", but that's too thick in my opinion. Contains Evercoat ZNX-7 which quickly provides superior adhesion to galvanized steel and aluminum much sooner in the repair. Fast sand formula for a quicker repair process, Gain a comprehensive understanding of how you can directly benefit from the features and core characteristics of our product, List of the substrates on which this product can be used, Check the application suggestions for this product across all markets, Develop a deeper knowledge about the characteristics of this product. You don't need longer work times because you're not doing anything with it in that uncured state except pressing and smoothing it on. Privacy Policy. Nothing wrong with Rage Gold, but I am going to go with the Rage Ultra as it is designed for this purpose and supposedly less prone to pin holes. Rage Ultra sands extremely easy. go with 3m platinum or plus. Introducing a revolution in body filler technology. Ultra and xtreme are just reqular bondo. If you ask me, if you need that much filler, you have more metal work to do. You must log in or register to reply here. I purchased a gallon of Evercoat Rage ULTRA, there latest. I don't remember any pinholes or voids at all. If you have a relatively flat area you can also use a grinder with a backing pad and 50g sanding disc and shap filler awesome! I'm curious about which body filler you use and why. Which 3m is around forty eight dollars a for the same quanity. I used the Quantum when it first came out, the Rage Gold, Lightweight, Rage Ultra and Rage X-treme. From fully mixed to applied shouldn't take you more than a minute or two at most. I agree with sticking with the original platinum as well. i always hated the rage gold. spreads thick and sands hard if it sits too long but i only rough in with it and sand it with a da. = Home Forums Product Reviews Refinish Supply Rage Ultra. They are a polyester resin base so glaze can be intermixed to get that perfect sanding consitency. I would strongly suggest that people doing body work to get w buffer grinder. Can anyone else confirm? I think I got a quart for like $7.99 or so at Autozone. It sands so easy, almost like drywall mud. it made me question, how durable is it? We promise not to spam you. Maybe Z grip to lay the foundation and first block followed by Ultra? - Narrator: Idiocracy. I have them cut to different sizes for getting into tight spots and for filling pinholes on contours. Evercoat can certainly be applied to properly abraded existing paint. I seem to find nothing but good comments about the Evercoat Rage Ultra and being a 1st timer, even though, it costs more, I want product that would make my life easier and have determined that I will get the Ultra. its supposed to be some type of epoxy poly hybrid. X2 on the Platinum. But compared to the Rage Gold, or other comparable products it really sands easy. Blue cream hardener included. And because Rage Ultra Xtra is manufactured with the Evercoat exclusive ECORESIN technology, it has the Rage Ultra industry-leading sanding properties including fast and easy sanding with 80 grit sand paper. Downright cheap at ~ $30 a gallon. As long as you follow the grain of the panel it will sand your filler perfect. But many that have learned this trick will never go back to only block sanding. But the cost was the same for a gallon of Rage Gold as the smaller sized can of extreme. I don't think the $15 a gallon stuff you are talking about True65 is the same as rage. I've been reading a lot on a paint forum and a lot of them recommend Rage Ultra so that's what I bought. I found it gritty and difficult to sand, compared to the UPOL. It's not going to be perfect and doesn't need to be perfect, you're going to shape it and smooth it down after it hardens. The unsurpassed sanding qualities are attributed to Hattonite, a unique ingredient which reduces heat and friction created by aggressive sanding. http://community.webshots.com/user/sevt_chevelle, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5, Step-by-step instructions for pictures in the forums. We had good time. Or am I missing some thing here? Rage Gold also contains ZNX-7 for adhesion to galvanized steel and aluminum. The ease of sanding is are attributed to Hattonite, a unique ingredient which reduces heat and friction created by aggressive sanding. Easily sands with 80 grit sandpaper, eliminating the need for coarse grits that can cause sand scratch swelling. It doesnt take much at all, spread it over the pinholes with a razor blade for less sanding and your done. I can't tell you how I know cause I might lose my job w/Keystone, not too sure how close/far it is but there is a K'stone over in Onterio (or however the fuck you spell it). My local Jobber just got in a new product, Rage Ultra. You may certainly apply multiple coats to achieve the desired shape. HEAVY ITEM - select lift gate service for freight delivery in checkout, unless you have a loading dock. They both run about same price for my shop some were in the mid thirtys per gallon. ill try anything once. It's available in small cans (perfect for a dash kit or 10), sands easy and shapes similarly to Rage Gold. }, Viewing 11 posts - 1 through 11 (of 11 total), 5 Must Have Tools for the Die-Hard Painters, Devilbiss DV1 Base / DV1 Clear Spray Gun Review, Muscle car Sail Panel Lead removal and repair. Blue cream hardener included. Easily sands with 80 grit sandpaper, eliminating the need for coarse grits that can cause sand scratch swelling. Used the platinum plus a few times but I always went back to the Platinum. I also got word from Bing on this forum that dynadelite is good as well. I like what Im heard about it sands much easier. Which is your favorite filler between Rage Gold, Ultra, and Extreme? Smooth application, easy sanding, non clogging with good adhesion and work time. Any questions about tools or supplies. Wound that be a good routine Len? AG 47 is also very good and less than half the price and again no pin holes. I really didnt see an advantage over the 3m platinum which is what Ive been using for a while now. one thing too is if you have a Keystone Automotvie supply store close by, try their Keygold filler (same as RageGold less$$$). Disclaimer: The ideas and methods described in this web site were developed under unique situations. im pretty open to trying this rage ultra though. Manufacturers and Body shop technicians can mix and spread large quantities knowing they have enough time to work large surface areas, saving time and increasing productivity. This topic has 10 replies, 8 voices, and was last updated. It also works well when working on a dented fender your trying to get back to contour. its pretty much pinhole free. imho. Formulated with Evercoats patented ECORESIN technology, OPTEX offers superior adhesion to a broad range of substrates and unparalleled sanding properties. This technically-advanced, unique formula is self-leveling for easy spreading, reducing sanding time to remove heavy texture. Easiest of any filler I've used. I also use Evercoat Rage and like how it performs. "Met up with Charley. Seemed to sand pretty goodstayed tacky on the top surface though and was a heavier body. Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 13 guests. However, Salt Spring roads gave the suspension and my kidneys a good workout. $35 for the platinum. Advanced formula with ZNX-7 provides superior adhesion to galvanized steel, aluminum, SMC and sanded OEM finishes. If spread thin, it doesn't make a lot of pinholes, and the Evercoat rep said that glaze wasn't mandatory. Quantum1 utilizes patent pending 10:1 technology that is the successful integration of polyester and epoxy chemistries. Looks to be the same price ~$8/qt. I usually settle with the gold, the extreme is very expensive. It's very strong, you can (within reason) hit it with a hammer and it does not shatter. I know that the Evercoat Rage fillers have a good reputation, but which one especially for someone who is new to body work. .hide-if-no-js { I paid 15 for my gallon of filler. I didn't see much difference between the extreme and the platinum besides the price. Rage Xtreme is the world's first truly pinhole-free premium body filler. As we all know pin holes are from couple reasons but nine times out of ten from the jerk who put (whipped) air bubbles in the product. Truck ran well, but the clutch seems to be slipping a bit. Expensive but for the amount I use worth it. This product can be applied over top of sanded OEM paint. You stroke in in a downward motion. Division of Illinois Tool Works Inc. | 6600 Cornell Road - Cincinnati, OH 45242 |, 2015 2022 Evercoat - All Rights Reserved, 100145_Rage_Ultra_Xtra_16_oz_Pouch_USENG.pdf, 100144_Rage_Ultra_Xtra_1_gallon_USENG.pdf, 101348_LOW_VOC_Rubberized_Undercoating_Aerosol_USENG.pdf, TDS_101348_RUBBERIZED_UNDERCOATING_2_2015_EN.pdf. I actually went into a keystone they were out on the shelf of their house filler. Smooth, sands easily, inexpensive. So I used it mainly as a final coat. check out the. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. ", Im not a real big fan of plastic fillers in the first place but they are necessary when working with, marketing is the difference, all 'light weight' fillers are pretty much the same, the variation might be in how easy they sand and how well the sandpaper holds up - they likely say one or the other will 'pinhole' less, but that's more technique than product . can't imagine why someone not big on fillers would buy 3 gallons tho', I didn't use much over a quart on daBus, Only Two Bill, kept in the nice warm garage attached to the house also. Platinum it is for mewithout even looking at the cost really. It sands easy, I start with 80 then 120 then 240 then prime. corrosion warranty on original factory corrosion protected sheet metal and galvanized sheet metal when used in accordance with the application instructions. Is to use the grinder polisher with a backing pad and a 4-6" 50g disc on a medium speed. Many people are skeptical about it. quit using that years ago when they had all the cracking issues with it. I've tried the Rage filler and thought it was horrible. Pick up some glaze while you are at it and you should be golden. This technically-advanced, unique formula is self-leveling for easy spreading, reducing sanding time to remove heavy texture. If you are doing some filler where you can get a 4-6" grinding disc. Exceptionally easy sanding body filler. An awesome way to do filler sanding to limit your blocking to next to none. Advanced formula with ZNX-7 provides superior adhesion to galvanized steel, aluminum, SMC and sanded OEM finishes. No more than a golf ball per batch. Some had high hopes the genetic engineering would correct this trend in evolution, but sadly the greatest minds and resources where focused on conquering hair loss and prolonging erections. NOT the Platinum Plus, I hated that stuff! Rage Gold also contains ZNX-7 for adhesion to galvanized steel and aluminum. Just looked up Rage Gold and it is $100 online. About two passes with a block and your ready for primer!! Another vote for 3M Platinum. They usually have a special on it to. Many people are skeptical about it. Not sure why but Ultra is cheaper everywhere right now. When I went to rage gold, I never tried anything since. Part of the MetalWorks System. Come join the discussion about restoration, modifications, NOS parts, troubleshooting, VIN codes, and more! Rage OPTEX with color-changing technology is an ultra-premium body filler that helps body shops save time and money on every repair. Commercial Optex 3 Gallon Pail - Mechanical. That's a surprise Eric, many of the body shops and body men that I know in the area that do a lot of custom work swear by Rage, Rage Gold. BUT, I like having different speed of hardener, depending on the job, it's nice not to rush, which the Ultra doesn't have. Superior spreading and sanding properties eliminate the need for cheese grating or sanding with coarse papers. I was quite happy with it. As far as gold, never liked it. Rage Ultra Xtra can also be mixed with Rage Ultra body filler for the ultimate flexibility in work time in most any temperature while maintaining the proper mix ratio. Eastwood 2K Aerospray Polyester Primer Surfacer, Evercoat Rage Gold Filler Gallon Reviews - page 2, Eastwood CONTOUR Premium Autobody Body Filler .8 gal, Eastwood CONTOUR Polyester Primer Direct to Metal Surfacer, loc_en_US, sid_12712ZP, prod, sort_[SortEntry(order=RATING, direction=DESCENDING), SortEntry(order=SUBMISSION_TIME, direction=DESCENDING)], Hattonite reduces heat and friction caused by aggressive sanding, Improved adhesion to galvanized steel and aluminum, loc_en_US, sid_12712ZP, prod, sort_[SortEntry(order=LAST_APPROVED_ANSWER_SUBMISSION_TIME, direction=DESCENDING)]. what i end up doing is using one of the cheaper fillers to rough in with. Very sandable and feathers great. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Terms of Service. Contains Evercoat ZNX-7 which quickly provides superior adhesion to galvanized steel and aluminum much sooner in the repair. lol. I don't know if the fillers are different for the different products to be honest, but if you need a thinner easier to work bondo, just add a little FG resin and mix it in You can think it out to the point of being able to spray it if you liked.. I highly recommend it. I think I might add a video for everyone on this forum to show them how to use a buffer/grinder to do filler work. Contains Evercoat ZNX-7 which quickly provides superior adhesion to galvanized steel and aluminum much sooner in the repair. If you dont need it immediately, that may be worth it. I just ordered some for in store pickup. Rage Ultra Xtra can also be mixed with Rage Ultra body filler for the ultimate flexibility in work time in most any temperature while maintaining the proper mix ratio. The Gold sands 10 times better than the Bondo, and the extreme sands 20 times better! Sorry for the inconvenience. No more than 1/8" layers at any given time. Its non-sag formula has excellent filling properties, while eliminating the need for finishing putty. I happen to like Evercoat Z-Grip, $34 here. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. JavaScript is disabled. I've used Rage Ultra but it's 80 dollars a gallon here now. Try Quantum from Evercoat its expoy based.so straight to metal and over paint. Blue cream hardener included. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, Marson (MAR20395) 3X4 Spreaders - MAR20395, Technical & Advanced Car Audio Discussion, System Design: Help Me Choose Equipment For My Car, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. The only thing epoxy based about quantum is the hardener,the filler is regular polyester filler with finer talc and resin.What I dont like about evercoat fillers is they are super thick and harder to mix than other fillers,the old marson platinum is super creamy,easy to mix and spread and really doesnt need a skim of flowable putty to finish it off. This technically-advanced, unique formula is self-leveling for easy spreading, reducing sanding time to remove heavy texture. more like a glaze but its definitely thicker. Is to use the grinder polisher with a backing pad and a 4-6" 50g disc on a medium speed. The max time you will want the product to be exposed to the air is two days max, you will want to use 120 grit paper for prep. A premium lightweight body filler formulated with the finest resin available. I tried the ultra. If this is your first visit, be sure to Theyre fillers are the best rage rebadged as well as their glazing putties. I use the Marson Platinum (not the plus) and find it very easy to use and sand. Plus, its stain resistant for use with basecoat/clearcoat paints. I feel it sands really easy, But that's only by my comparison from what I was used to. After he sanded down the Gold, he used Metal Glaze to eliminate any pin holes. 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Theres no second guessingonce mixed with cream hardener, OPTEX changes from pink to green indicating the repair is ready to sand. It looks like my next gal of filler will be this 3M platinum, Ive never tried it. I agree to have my personal data processed to receive information about INDASA via newsletter. It will sand the panel and show you exactly any low or high areas and also blend minor flaws if done correctly. For filler I would look got In your area for a local lkq keystone supply shop. Or you need to use lead. Just tryin to help, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Part of the MetalWorks System. I am willing to trying something better. Can't go wrong. The ease of sanding is are attributed to Hattonite, a unique ingredient which reduces heat and friction created by aggressive sanding. JavaScript is disabled. You can certainly use both the gray and white epoxy primer both under and over the rage filler. I also looked on US Chemical's site and noticed a similar product called Feather-Rite that's available in a quart. Rage Gold also contains ZNX-7 for adhesion to galvanized steel and aluminum. Once the new can of filler is mixed I sometimes add a little extra polyester resin to make it a little creamer. 3M Platinum is cheaper than Gold, is easier to sand and was my choice prior to Ultra. Now that stuff spread like crap, pin holed & sanded like concrete. Yes this can be used with Epoxy resins and primers. Rage Ultra Xtra is specially formulated to allow for extended work timesup to 40 minutes. what I found made the biggest difference was the mix of catalyst. I'm about to order the Rage Ultra, but want to see what other good body fillers are out there. after that i switch over the the evercoat quantum. ). I have wanted to try the marson, but have always had excellent results with the rage extreme, but 58.00 a gallon is getting way to far out of the price range of my profit margin. They(Evercoat) say its the same but only issues I have ever seen have been from that colored product. I used the Rage Gold and was very happy with it. I use the 3M Platinum(01171), not the Plus. When I used it to fill the emblem holes in my fenders I could not break off the stalactites that formed when it drooped through the hole. Bondo makes a product called Dyna-Delite, that is VERY similar. I used to use evercoat (black gold I think) and it was fantastic, tried this new stuff, cant remember the name of it but it seems to get a "skin" on it when it hardens and it clogs the paper up until you get the "skin" off it, even if you leave it for a day or so, it don't matter, still clogs up real bad, even with 36g, its a pain in the a**!! Dispensing and mixing is made easy with the 825mL cartridge. It acts pretty much like a conventional body filler, levels out better especially in warmer temps. Contains Evercoat ZNX-7 which quickly provides superior adhesion to galvanized steel and aluminum much sooner in the repair. Skip to the beginning of the images gallery. I think I might add a video for everyone on this forum to show them how to use a buffer/grinder to do filler work. $38gl vs over $50 for any Rage product, four Easily sands with 80 grit sandpaper, eliminating the need for coarse grits that can cause sand scratch swelling. ONLINE ONLY - this item is not available in stores. Another trick is to use clean up thinner - acetone or lacquer thinner as a mix with Rage Gold for thin coats instead of mixing polyester resin. Remember, amateurs built the Ark, professionals built the Titanic". ive used expensive filler and cheap filler. Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Ian Berky, May 21, 2008. Rage Gold is pretty well the standard and it's very easy to use and provides one of the largest ranges of coating compatibility of any filler out there. Too much shrinkage. Use and application of any of the site's content is at the user's own risk. The Bondo shrinks and sans terrible imo even with an extremely thin coat. A forum community dedicated to all mobile audio enthusiasts. We stand behind our solutions and customers. If you like the ultra and its cost effective use it.Never had any issue from a Evercoat product in the last ten years or so. Saw a video on you tube about these products from Evercoat saying they were closely the same just one is cheaper by 30 dollars. Rage Ultra is the worlds best sanding body filler. Just mix it and apply it right away. Copyright 1995-2021 The Jalopy Journal: Steal our stuff, we'll kick your teeth in. You are using an out of date browser. You can always add some glaze in with the filler as well which im sure your all aware of. I have used Bondo filler, rage gold, and extreme. Thanks Jay. Evercoat Rage Ultra for me. But, I didn't know any better. The $15 gallon stuff is not the same as the Ultra or other variations of Rage. But many that have learned this trick will never go back to only block sanding. It also works well when working on a dented fender your trying to get back to contour. display: none !important; It is very creamy and spreads well. Manufacturers and Body shop technicians can mix and spread large quantities knowing they have enough time to work large surface areas, saving time and increasing productivity. If you are doing some filler where you can get a 4-6" grinding disc. It's hard to use anything but that, sands so easy. Manufacturers and Body shop technicians can mix and spread large quantities knowing they have enough time to work large surface areas, saving time and increasing productivity. I plan to start working on the body work for my car soon. This technically-advanced, unique formula is self-leveling for easy spreading, reducing sanding time to remove heavy texture. Rage Ultra Xtra is specially formulated to allow for extended work timesup to 40 minutes. The platinum costs me $32 a gallon and the Ultra was around $45 a gallon. We stand behind our solutions and customers. I just finished a gallon of ultra and have a full can of extreme sitting on the shelf. Got two because. the quantum spreads awesome. Go Akzo . Jim I doubt the Rage Ultra is gonna sand as well as the Quantum. Plus, its stain resistant for use with basecoat/clearcoat paints. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. You can unsubscribe at any time by clicking the corresponding button on the end of each e-mail. Oreilly sells Evercoat products. Its non-sag formula has excellent filling properties, while eliminating the need for finishing putty. Thanks everyone. "Never be afraid to try something new. You do not need glaze with Rage Ultra. As long as you follow the grain of the panel it will sand your filler perfect. i never hand block the stuff. Even one from harborfreight with the digital speed gauge is decent. I like Rage Gold and Ultra, have used them on my projects. I like the dyna-delite because it was in stock and I didn't have to pay shipping. Body solder at $7 a stick doesn't seem so expensive anymore. cup or liners what systems are you guys useing?? I also like the fact that I can use every bit of whats in the can without it going bad. Evercoat, the industry leader in body filler technology has developed a revolutionary body filler specifically for the unique needs of large commercial equipment companies including ambulance and train manufacturers. Rage Gold sucks unless you like a hard sanding filler. Simply the best filler I have ever used. Flexing a bit of what was left on the spreader after it cured, it seems to be a lot like the metal glaze spot puddy. Never guess again how much catalyst is the right amount.

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